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[Amelie]

even a better job than music?

I think religion as a whole yes. Sure, there are some crazy peeps who listen to some Satanic inspired sheet and commit murders and stuff, but not to the same level as religion.

 

[Jiglo]

when you are on top of a mountain, just alive and free.

Been there done that and had one of those moments of clarity where you feel spiritualy enlightened and in a higher state of consciousness. Maybe it's what Budha felt and searched for

 

[Amelie]

Been there done that and had one of those moments of clarity where you feel spiritualy enlightened and in a higher state of consciousness. Maybe it's what Budha felt and searched for

I just don't get why you would have to equate that feeling with something religious, why can't it be just another emotion? If you were to suddenly feel an intense fear, or an irrational anger- you would logically place it with events and shit surrounding that feeling.

 

[Jiglo]

I just don't get why you would have to equate that feeling with something religious, why can't it be just another emotion? If you were to suddenly feel an intense fear, or an irrational anger- you would logically place it with events and shit surrounding that feeling.

I suppose it's because you actually have to sense it yourself to come to your own conclusion

 

[Northern Star]

Been there done that and had one of those moments of clarity where you feel spiritualy enlightened and in a higher state of consciousness.

ive had these moments before - usually at the wk end mind

 

[Jiglo]

Haha those weekend feelings are a different state of consciousness

 

[Lozzie]

spiritualism....not for me not in anyway shape or form.......id rather beleive and have faith in the people i can see and the people i know and love

I would define that as spiritualism...any sort of FAITH in anything is spiritualism...forget religion for a moment. Even if it didn't exist, there is still spiritualism.


I am not a follower of any sort of planned religion...but I have my own beliefs and things that have come to me...NOT the other way round. I have faith to fuck!!!

1.Faith in myself
2. Faith in Love
3. That good always wins over bad...


These are things I've come to realise myself...like a lightbulb going off. Some who were into religion would say this was "the hand of God"...but I'm not for following things...but really, all religion boils down to is those three things...and I didn't even realise that untill after I knew. Obviously, I have a nosey at religious texts...as they have been around for thousands of years...and some of it, has a point! There are snippets of everything, that can be used...not to follow god...but to realise how ace life is!

I don't have a problem with faith (this can also be faith in a religion) as it is pure...blind following and hating others that don't share your beliefs (religious,spritual or not), OR thinking that yours is the only TRUE belief...is totally SHIT! That includes everyone...athiests, and nuns and everyone. Respect people...not everyone who believes is a nutter!

 

[Amelie]

I suppose it's because you actually have to sense it yourself to come to your own conclusion

Can you be more explicit, soz i am thick as pig shit lol. What i mean, (albiet impossible to prove) is that should be both have the same feelings of spiriual enlightment at exactly the same time, same place etc- i don't see why yours would be viewed as holy or summat unless external influences such as knowledge of religion would make it so. If you were to have been brought up with no prior information on anything spiritual, you would probs just accept the great feeling of happiness for what it is, a passing emotion just like any other.

 

[Lozzie]

ive had these moments before - usually at the wk end mind

Thats not necessarilly a bad thing???? I have them alot, sometimes I don't and "loose" myself in the worlds trivial shit...


It just means that you see things with such clarity, and brilliance, and fuck me! Life is so fantastic and i love it all....you could piss,shit ,cry,laugh screeeeeam, and die all at once! Everything connects and makes sense in a way, you can't imagine...


Don't believe in God, but I'd deffo say, there is some brilliant force that binds everything together, to me this is Love in it purity. Some would say God, jesus, allah, whatever...Its all different languages explaining the same mountain really. That is faith...and I KNOW what I feel, there is no way on this earth that anyone could argue with it ever!

it's like being burned...or slapped, or having an orgasm. You KNOW it happened, well that realisation is like this...

 

[Lozzie]

Can you be more explicit, soz i am thick as pig shit lol. What i mean, (albiet impossible to prove) is that should be both have the same feelings of spiriual enlightment at exactly the same time, same place etc- i don't see why yours would be viewed as holy or summat unless external influences such as knowledge of religion would make it so. If you were to have been brought up with no prior information on anything spiritual, you would probs just accept the great feeling of happiness for what it is, a passing emotion just like any other.

Amelie...it's like your life has been working to this very point...everything...and them BAM your conclusion!!!! This is not just "oh...such a nice day, mint" It's more, if i die now, I'll die happy! That is the sort of feeling, pure Love and ace, just can't even begin to explain. I was like you...this sort of thing happens wether you want it to or not!

 

[Jiglo]

Can you be more explicit, soz i am thick as pig shit lol. What i mean, (albiet impossible to prove) is that should be both have the same feelings of spiriual enlightment at exactly the same time, same place etc- i don't see why yours would be viewed as holy or summat unless external influences such as knowledge of religion would make it so. If you were to have been brought up with no prior information on anything spiritual, you would probs just accept the great feeling of happiness for what it is, a passing emotion just like any other.

Maybe what I felt is how religion came into being

Isn't that how Budhism came into being? Maybe Jonno will know more about it than I

 

[Lozzie]

Maybe what I felt is how religion came into being

Fuck, you can take the register now...you cleaver boy!

 

[Amelie]

Maybe what I felt is how religion came into being

Isn't that how Budhism came into being? Maybe Jonno will know more about it than I

Newp, i have no frikkin idea what you are talking about lol. Please, help me out here. I am not asing about Budhism, as thats academic- i want to know how your moment of enlightment bacame linked with a religous thang- to you i mean.

 

[Amelie]

Amelie...it's like your life has been working to this very point...everything...and them BAM your conclusion!!!! This is not just "oh...such a nice day, mint" It's more, if i die now, I'll die happy! That is the sort of feeling, pure Love and ace, just can't even begin to explain. I was like you...this sort of thing happens wether you want it to or not!

Lozzie you don't get what i mean. Trust me, i have had these moments loads of times, in both simple (driving down the road on my own, and just feeling like, well i can't describe it- like shit made sense), and in complicated (staring at my best frinds body when she died) moments. Either way, i don't understand why it has to be linked to anything other than what it is, a turn of events, or not as in some cases- yet an emotion or high, or perhaps low that feels so huge you know things are different from then on. Its just life, its just our head- nothing more, nothing mysterious, not to me anyway.

 

[jon]

I think religion as a whole yes. Sure, there are some crazy peeps who listen to some Satanic inspired sheet and commit murders and stuff, but not to the same level as religion.

i was not thinking about satanic inspired music but music as a whole.

 

[Elev8/Levit8]

I'm with yer, Amz...
This is what I was tryin to say...
When peeps take a spiritual experience & equate it with religion.
Spiritual experiences are dandy... we all have em, even if it's just a damn good shite... It's when peeps use it to judge, and write down a load of rules & do's & don'ts based on it that the wrongness begins IMHO...


hehe... damn good shite... "do's"... man i crack mesen up...

 

[Amelie]

i was not thinking about satanic inspired music but music as a whole.

Yeah, music can brainwash (but i do think that its more likely to 'influence' as opposed to full on mind altering thoughts and shit)- but if religion and music were to have a bare knuckle scrap to see who is the cock of brainwashing, i reck religion would win, hands down.

 

[Jiglo]

Newp, i have no frikkin idea what you are talking about lol. Please, help me out here. I am not asing about Budhism, as thats academic- i want to know how your moment of enlightment bacame linked with a religous thang- to you i mean.

Picture the scene.

One day i'm out snowboarding in the French Alps, the guys i'm riding with are tired and decide to head back to the chalet. I'm still loving my riding so I take off riding somehwre new on my own. Nobody else is around anywhere, i'm on virgin snow, miles and miles from civilisation and other people in the mountains. There's no noise from any of the towns or villages or other people because i'm totally isolated from anything manmade - apart from my own gear. There's an almost perfect quiet, a stillness in the air. I stop to take a break and to soak in the scenery. The sky is perfectly blue, the snow is crisp, the mountains in the distance are snow covered and gorgeous, i'm at one with nature.

I don't have any worries or cares in the world, my mind is completely free of any stresses and tension. I'm loving being alive. I look around at the grandeur of nature and I start to feel like a tiny part of the bigger scene. My mind expands as I try to comprehend how impressive everything seems, how perfectly everything's formed. I'm awestruck and seeing the world in a new perfect light. Everything seems too perfect to have just come into being by chance and you then ponder over the implications of such a thought.

That's kinda a brief synopsis.

The bottom line though Amelie, is that your views on the world are so rigidly set in place by science, that you're probably incapable of understanding that there could be something more to life than the boundaries of you scientific knowledge, unless you have a similar experience

 

[Lozzie]

It's when peeps use it to judge, and write down a load of rules & do's & don'ts based on it that the wrongness begins IMHO...

I agree, but you don't have to follow it? It's only when people slag others off who don't think how they do that I have a problem...that includes yourself:$ ...whats right for you, is not what is right for everyone else necessarily is it? This includes religious folk.

Maybe when they come to you...(maybe..not necessarilly) they are trying to share joy with you? If they really are believers of their religion, and it totally resonates and fits with them, I can see why you would want to do that. Not that I think this is the way that I'd do it...I actually wouldn't do anything. If you get it, you get it...if you don't...maybe somthing else will catch your fancy???

 

[Jiglo]

I'm with yer, Amz...
This is what I was tryin to say...
When peeps take a spiritual experience & equate it with religion.
Spiritual experiences are dandy... we all have em, even if it's just a damn good shite... It's when peeps use it to judge, and write down a load of rules & do's & don'ts based on it that the wrongness begins IMHO...


hehe... damn good shite... "do's"... man i crack mesen up...

To be honest with you, I don't think everybody has them. I'm not saying that i'm unique, but I think you're missing the point id you can compare taking a dump to a spiritual experience.

I was in my 30's before I had my first intense experience. It isn't an everyday thing!