Lozzie
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Elev8/Levit8 said:aah! so you admit you're wrong & full of shit then?
(j/k... vegetable rights & peace etc)
Slap my thigh and call me a bag of manure!
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Slap my thigh and call me a bag of manure!
What kind of forum is this... piss bags & bags of manure?
Non-rigid receptacles & bodily fluids?
I shudder to think what that makes me, although I suspect it may involve 'arry Monk :|
Non-rigid receptacles & bodily fluids?
I shudder to think what that makes me, although I suspect it may involve 'arry Monk :|
Okay then......
If you had a "movement" of collective thought and "way of life" that was loosley designed to engulf and/or effect every other way of life, and you had the same thing elsewhere but it had a 'god' and some element of spiritual faith to it - would that addition of a 'god like' presence to the 'movement' then make it acceptable for protection and non persecution or ridicule?, whilst the other was open to be ripped apart on the table of idea's?
Say humans on the Earth had allways been, by choice, Vegans. Strict Vegans. (forget our teeth design to eat meat). Then, one day, perhaps 1,150 years ago, somebody kills a cow and decides to chop it up and eat its flesh on a bonfire spit, and some people gather together in a community and they like it, and a mass movement grows, embroiled in the exact ritual used by the first person to do it......laws are then passed by these people amongst themslves, as to the rights and wrongs of how it should be done, what tools to use and where to hack etc, and anyone caught not doing it this way will be repremanded severely.
It would all seem quite alien to the rest of the world, perhaps savage, brutal and cruel. People would probably protest at this barbarity, and try and stop the animals being harmed (like animal rights extremists), and try and get the government to pass laws to outlaw it, or atleast minimise its effect. They dont want thier part of the world to go the way of the 'new' animal flesh eating way of living, as they value thier own veganism stance for ethical and moral reasons, and want to protect thier kids from being shown or enticed into this mindset, so that (naturally) thier own Veganist ways may continue in the future, and generally try and keep pushing thier Veganist stance and resisting the change coming slowly from the emerging meat eating society.
Would this be (loosely) acceptable behaviour? would it be a totally unreasonable a thing to do and work towards or even talk about? Would it be wicked and evil? Worthy of persecution and loosing your job over?
Some of you may say no - hopefully some will be balanced and say yes that its not THAT unreasonable to protect your way of life for your future generations to enjoy....but also ever being reminded (and in termoil internally) that its only a case of eating meat or not, its not a matter of life and death for all humankind....
To those that say even a begrudging 'yes' to the above.....(if there is anyone lol) consider this twist:
It becomes revealed that the orginal animal killers were told in a 'vision' by GOD that all humanity should eat animals to please him, and those who dont eat animals were defying Gods wishes, and thus were prepared to go to rather extreme lengths to ensure the worlds minds were changed to thier way of thinking, and (more mundanely and naturally) enter systems used by Vegans to open the door for the future change to the Flesh eating society they desire and build towards.........Nothing major or wicked, just pressing for a few laws here and there to sharpen up Vegetable knives, perhaps add a few ridges to them - I mean, whats the harm, it may cut vegetables better right?. Better for wider society? That sort of thing.
Would this increasing 'movement' become totally acceptable (and more primarily) become unchallengeable and unable to be discussed now that a GOD has told them to do it and their movent has a 'faith' element.... would it thus become accepted (and acceptable) to eventually loose the Veganism way of looking at the world entirely forever cos you cant publicly defend yourself and your Veganist way of life, and not only that, be made to fund the erection massive animal burning ritual buildings allover, help provide so much litterature to thier own young children that it opens them up heavily to the opposite of your Veganist views so that your own kids want to throw away all thats gone before, and you come home from work and have to endure the ever carnivorous views of your kids from school and open the windows to the stench of animal carcasses being burnt in the air from buildings youve unwittingly helped construct, when youre a Vegan and your wider society cant really stand it?
What about the ideology of Communism, or Nazi'ism.....if Mein Kamf and its views of racial supremacy involved in some minor part somewhere a GOD, a messenger that told Hitler he was above others, had rituals to please Him, and eventually form (for the believers in Mein Kamf) a 'way of life' from its texts - would that then make Nazi'ism acceptable, that it should now be tolerated and understood, even encouraged, tret equal, unable to be spoken generally about in a bad light, and infact jailed for say 7 years to suggest that you perhaps dont want it to become popular in your society and someday replace the prevailing system entirely?
Mein Kamf followers may be kind and curteous, really nice people, friends, neighbours, colleagues, and live above the law.....does this make any difference in the bigger picture of thier goals and what happens to the rest of us?
At what point does the addition of a God (thus the way of living life to his command) alter a simple 'movement' ideology such as communism, veganism, Nazi'ism, carniverism, whatever, into one which removes the right for critcism and self defence/repellance by others? ......Straight away? After a while? Never?
They are all, at the end of the day, rough ideas held en mass. Why should an addition of a god and a spiritual 'following' make any bearing on whether you should oppose its somewhat monotone ideological wishes for human kind?
lol.
Sorry in advance.
Sirius.
If you had a "movement" of collective thought and "way of life" that was loosley designed to engulf and/or effect every other way of life, and you had the same thing elsewhere but it had a 'god' and some element of spiritual faith to it - would that addition of a 'god like' presence to the 'movement' then make it acceptable for protection and non persecution or ridicule?, whilst the other was open to be ripped apart on the table of idea's?
Say humans on the Earth had allways been, by choice, Vegans. Strict Vegans. (forget our teeth design to eat meat). Then, one day, perhaps 1,150 years ago, somebody kills a cow and decides to chop it up and eat its flesh on a bonfire spit, and some people gather together in a community and they like it, and a mass movement grows, embroiled in the exact ritual used by the first person to do it......laws are then passed by these people amongst themslves, as to the rights and wrongs of how it should be done, what tools to use and where to hack etc, and anyone caught not doing it this way will be repremanded severely.
It would all seem quite alien to the rest of the world, perhaps savage, brutal and cruel. People would probably protest at this barbarity, and try and stop the animals being harmed (like animal rights extremists), and try and get the government to pass laws to outlaw it, or atleast minimise its effect. They dont want thier part of the world to go the way of the 'new' animal flesh eating way of living, as they value thier own veganism stance for ethical and moral reasons, and want to protect thier kids from being shown or enticed into this mindset, so that (naturally) thier own Veganist ways may continue in the future, and generally try and keep pushing thier Veganist stance and resisting the change coming slowly from the emerging meat eating society.
Would this be (loosely) acceptable behaviour? would it be a totally unreasonable a thing to do and work towards or even talk about? Would it be wicked and evil? Worthy of persecution and loosing your job over?
Some of you may say no - hopefully some will be balanced and say yes that its not THAT unreasonable to protect your way of life for your future generations to enjoy....but also ever being reminded (and in termoil internally) that its only a case of eating meat or not, its not a matter of life and death for all humankind....
To those that say even a begrudging 'yes' to the above.....(if there is anyone lol) consider this twist:
It becomes revealed that the orginal animal killers were told in a 'vision' by GOD that all humanity should eat animals to please him, and those who dont eat animals were defying Gods wishes, and thus were prepared to go to rather extreme lengths to ensure the worlds minds were changed to thier way of thinking, and (more mundanely and naturally) enter systems used by Vegans to open the door for the future change to the Flesh eating society they desire and build towards.........Nothing major or wicked, just pressing for a few laws here and there to sharpen up Vegetable knives, perhaps add a few ridges to them - I mean, whats the harm, it may cut vegetables better right?. Better for wider society? That sort of thing.
Would this increasing 'movement' become totally acceptable (and more primarily) become unchallengeable and unable to be discussed now that a GOD has told them to do it and their movent has a 'faith' element.... would it thus become accepted (and acceptable) to eventually loose the Veganism way of looking at the world entirely forever cos you cant publicly defend yourself and your Veganist way of life, and not only that, be made to fund the erection massive animal burning ritual buildings allover, help provide so much litterature to thier own young children that it opens them up heavily to the opposite of your Veganist views so that your own kids want to throw away all thats gone before, and you come home from work and have to endure the ever carnivorous views of your kids from school and open the windows to the stench of animal carcasses being burnt in the air from buildings youve unwittingly helped construct, when youre a Vegan and your wider society cant really stand it?
What about the ideology of Communism, or Nazi'ism.....if Mein Kamf and its views of racial supremacy involved in some minor part somewhere a GOD, a messenger that told Hitler he was above others, had rituals to please Him, and eventually form (for the believers in Mein Kamf) a 'way of life' from its texts - would that then make Nazi'ism acceptable, that it should now be tolerated and understood, even encouraged, tret equal, unable to be spoken generally about in a bad light, and infact jailed for say 7 years to suggest that you perhaps dont want it to become popular in your society and someday replace the prevailing system entirely?
Mein Kamf followers may be kind and curteous, really nice people, friends, neighbours, colleagues, and live above the law.....does this make any difference in the bigger picture of thier goals and what happens to the rest of us?
At what point does the addition of a God (thus the way of living life to his command) alter a simple 'movement' ideology such as communism, veganism, Nazi'ism, carniverism, whatever, into one which removes the right for critcism and self defence/repellance by others? ......Straight away? After a while? Never?
They are all, at the end of the day, rough ideas held en mass. Why should an addition of a god and a spiritual 'following' make any bearing on whether you should oppose its somewhat monotone ideological wishes for human kind?
lol.
Sorry in advance.
Sirius.
Jiglo said:The interesting thing is that so many people can accept the Big Bang theory without having a physics degree and with it itself being contested by other scientists, yet try to offer a spiritual explaination to our existence and it falls on deaf ears.
HUUUUUUUUGELY valid point that is
I've had my own little flashes of clarity, and I can definitely vouch for the fact you have to feel them yourself to understand their truth.
I think you need to be open for these things for them to come, its almost as though, whatever it is will only show itself to you if it thinks you deserve it, and to deserve it you simply need to be aware and open to it, because otherwise, you wouldnt appreciate its brilliance, so it would be of no use to you and therefore pointless you seeing it anyway, if you get my drift. That doesn't mean you need to be looking for it. I think by being aware and open you are already letting yourself be in a slightly higher state of consciousness...you are building up to where you need to be for it to happen, you're removing the mental blinkers.
I think that its possible to be fixed permanently in in this state too, enlightenment I suppose you'd call it. Like others have described, just absolute clarity. I won't go into my spiritual beliefs....not on here lol, mine aren't fully formed yet, a picture is gradually building up for me, its quite exciting lol, like lozzie described, lots of re-affirming things keep happening, & I keep discovering more and more little pieces of the jigsaw, its coming
I think, at worst, if the blinkers are stuck fast - believe what you want if it makes you happy, if being a mormon is what floats your boat then be a mormon, I think it would be a pretty dull life personally. I met a young male one at college who was gagging for it lol.
I'm not ruling out the Big Bang theory too, I think it could have been a pre destined consequence for things to come. It's just sometimes I sense that there's something more to life than the accepted scientific theory.
Maybe it's the fact that people can't escape from the noise, problems, greed and other stresses of modern life that they've lost touch with their spiritual side
Maybe it's the fact that people can't escape from the noise, problems, greed and other stresses of modern life that they've lost touch with their spiritual side
Buzz said:
Make Offer --> "Suck my fookin sack" --> Submit Offer