Mormons
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Getting involved in this a bit late but Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are both definitely Christians. Absolutely no two ways about it.
They're also both completely fucking mad as far as religions go (which is saying something cause all religions are fucking mad!)
Jehovah's witnesses have been saying the world was going to end and christ is going to return, more or less since they began. Jesus should have returned in 1873, but when he didn't they said 1874, then 1914, and so on and so forth!
Mormons on the other hand believe that an angel came down and visited some bloke in America in the 1800's, who was given a book inscribed on golden plates, so he copied it down, and then the silly fucker went and lost the original golden plates (you'd have thought he'd have been more careful with them eh!). Mormon's also weren't crazy keen on blacks until 1978 (yes 1978), before then they claimed blacks had the curse of Ham (which ain't a good thing in Christian terms).
The thing is though people believe this shit. Huge amounts of people. That's what I find truly amazing. Both religions have membership in the millions (Jehovs have doubled in the past 20 years!). For me it goes to show that, as a race, we ain't as clever as we like to think.
They're also both completely fucking mad as far as religions go (which is saying something cause all religions are fucking mad!)
Jehovah's witnesses have been saying the world was going to end and christ is going to return, more or less since they began. Jesus should have returned in 1873, but when he didn't they said 1874, then 1914, and so on and so forth!
Mormons on the other hand believe that an angel came down and visited some bloke in America in the 1800's, who was given a book inscribed on golden plates, so he copied it down, and then the silly fucker went and lost the original golden plates (you'd have thought he'd have been more careful with them eh!). Mormon's also weren't crazy keen on blacks until 1978 (yes 1978), before then they claimed blacks had the curse of Ham (which ain't a good thing in Christian terms).
The thing is though people believe this shit. Huge amounts of people. That's what I find truly amazing. Both religions have membership in the millions (Jehovs have doubled in the past 20 years!). For me it goes to show that, as a race, we ain't as clever as we like to think.
Jonno said:
I don't think it's got owt to do with cleverness... Just think it proves that there's a spiritual aspect to humanity. People need to believe in summat (which is why God made Newcastle United).
I don't subscribe to any of the religious cobblers meself, but those deets about Mormonism & Jovoism just go to prove that people can be made to believe anything, if it's sold to them right. This, coupled with freedom of speech/expression is a very dangerous combination. No diggity. Especially given how much power is wielded by some of these religious nutjobs, esp. in the U.S... I mean look at the wars... Israel/Palestine, even Iraq etc. all fundamentally revolving around religion.
I'm not saying Freedom of speech/expression is bad, just that there are aspects of human nature which can be exploited, and our need to believe in a higher power is one of them. Where there's potential to exploit people, then there's potential to make money. Just another thing which serves to attract nutters (besides those who are just religious nutters for the sake of it).
I worry for people with strong religious beliefs, whatever they happen to be. They are placing themselves at risk, and they are tacitly helping to promote the nutjobs (how can you diss one person's religion, however mental, when yuou're religious yerself?).
When the jovos come round, I don't feel the least bit guilty for slamming the door in their face. If they are motivated enough to go knocking randomly on people's doors, then me slamming mine won't deter them. I didn't ask them to come round, so they can take me as they find me...
In which case then everyone, especially the so called intellegensia, would be looking for spiritual enlightenment, but they're not.Elev8/Levit8 said:
It seems to me that the people who actually believe this shit, would stuggle with the intricacies of evolution or the big bang for example.
I think there's a spiritual aspect to everyone, just some people are taken in by blokes with mullets & shiny suits offering seats in heaven for cash, and others aren't...
It's true yer religious types do struggle to reconcile with Evolution/Big bang etc... In my experience their arguments get all wooly & start on about "aah but what about before the big bang"... or "where did evolution start from".
It reeks of trying desperately to make the facts fit what they believe, instead of the other way round.
It's true yer religious types do struggle to reconcile with Evolution/Big bang etc... In my experience their arguments get all wooly & start on about "aah but what about before the big bang"... or "where did evolution start from".
It reeks of trying desperately to make the facts fit what they believe, instead of the other way round.
I really do not want to get into an evo convo (liking the way i worded that tho lol).
I think that its the belonging that is important to such people who are getting invloved, they probs think its as much of a crock of shit as we do, yet they are searching for something for whatever reason, like in some cases its seen as a respectful thang to do- going to church and shit. For others, it makes them feel like better people as they appear righteous and all that shizznit. Some people are just desperate for company. Some poeple just need to know that there is something else waiting for them when they die, which is fair do's as i am not partic happy about the thought of rotting away, but hey i know its going to happen.
I personally would like to see all supposed belivers take a lie detec test, because lets be honest it really is daft.
I think that its the belonging that is important to such people who are getting invloved, they probs think its as much of a crock of shit as we do, yet they are searching for something for whatever reason, like in some cases its seen as a respectful thang to do- going to church and shit. For others, it makes them feel like better people as they appear righteous and all that shizznit. Some people are just desperate for company. Some poeple just need to know that there is something else waiting for them when they die, which is fair do's as i am not partic happy about the thought of rotting away, but hey i know its going to happen.
I personally would like to see all supposed belivers take a lie detec test, because lets be honest it really is daft.
Whilst we could debate the definition of "spiritual" until the second coming, I think I can confidently state that from a relgious point of view, I definitely don't have a spiritual aspect. While I don't want to speak for someone else, I think I can say the same thing for Amelie as well.Elev8/Levit8 said:
So that's at least 2 of us!
I can't say a bad word about mormons, at the end of my garden is a mormon church that's been there a few years now and a group of them live over the road from me, have to say they have not once asked me to join up or the likes of, when they moved in i bumped into them and they asked me round for tea the same day and were genuinely friendly, some months have past now and not a whisper from them.
yea... it comes doon to how you define "spiritual" at the end of the day...
Maybe it's music that moves you spiritually... certainly does me... gets the awld emotions going (regardless of any pharmaceutical assistance)...
You could argue that a load of peeps in a room dancing like nutters to filthy house music has the same effect on the participants as the tambourine-wavers get after a sesh on a sunday morn... it's uplifting... dare i say "spiritually uplifting"...
I totally agree with Amelie's point tho that for some, religion is just about the company & the belonging & really they couldn't give a f*ck what it is they're listening to.
Maybe it's music that moves you spiritually... certainly does me... gets the awld emotions going (regardless of any pharmaceutical assistance)...
You could argue that a load of peeps in a room dancing like nutters to filthy house music has the same effect on the participants as the tambourine-wavers get after a sesh on a sunday morn... it's uplifting... dare i say "spiritually uplifting"...
I totally agree with Amelie's point tho that for some, religion is just about the company & the belonging & really they couldn't give a f*ck what it is they're listening to.
Newp, i do not have a spiritual bone in my body. I reck, from a purley biological aspect that we are just a clollection of cleverly organised cells that eventually stop respiring for whatever reason, wether it be age, disease or trauma. Thats it, i don't belive we have a soul, i don't belive we live on or go to some heavan. Same as with an ant, or a fish, we are merely a living organism that has a time limit, and when our time comes we jus cease to exist, the machine stops working so to speak.
I think you've said 2 different things there Amz...
I completely agree with the second bit...
(had on here bear with us tryin to do the quote thingy...)
I'm right with you on the above, but would definitely consider myself to be a spiritual person.
I completely agree with the second bit...
(had on here bear with us tryin to do the quote thingy...)
I don't think that means you don't have a spiritual bone in yer body...Amelie said:
I'm right with you on the above, but would definitely consider myself to be a spiritual person.
I thi8nk its the best job of mass brain washing i think ive ever witnessed :|
spiritualism....not for me
not in anyway shape or form.......id rather beleive and have faith in the people i can see and the people i know and love 
spiritualism....not for me
not in anyway shape or form.......id rather beleive and have faith in the people i can see and the people i know and love jon said:
Yeah, i obviously have moments of feeling a great sense of happiness, completness etc- but its always with a sense of mortality- never Godlike. I never ever think i feel the way i do because of some higher being, its usually due to an occurance of events, people or just my own frame of mind.