Smoking Ban

[ClaireW]

Does this ban apply to Nightclubs??

As stated in The Sun newspaper today .....

"SMOKING will be illegal in ALL indoor public areas within 18 months, MPs ruled last night Pubs will become smoke-free, even those that don’t serve food.

Private clubs, cinemas, offices, factories and public transport are also covered by the ban. Any of England’s 12million smokers caught puffing in banned areas will face a £50 fine.

There will be a maximum £2,500 penalty for premises failing to stop people smoking — up from the £200 originally proposed.

The ban also means the end of “smoking rooms” in workplaces.

But private homes, care homes, hospitals, prisons and hotel bedrooms will be exempt.

PM Tony Blair backed a full ban — after giving MPs a free vote to avoid defeat in his “week from hell”.

There was a majority of 200 for the ban in a vote of 384 to 184.

But last night Mr Blair was under fire for going back on a manifesto pledge to exempt some clubs and pubs.

Ministers backtracked after being told that enforcing a one metre “smoke exclusion zone” around pub bars and defining which pubs served food was impractical.

Labour MP Bob Wareing said: “The Prime Minister and Chief Whip, by their votes, flouted the manifesto.”

Tory leader David Cameron, who is trying to give up fags, missed the vote because of the birth of his son. He had been expected to vote against a ban.

Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban would save thousands of lives a year.

She estimated an extra 600,000 would give up cigs because of the ban, and millions would be saved from second hand smoke.

Ms Hewitt said: “This is really a historic day for people’s health. It really is equivalent to the introduction of seatbelts in cars.”

Fiona Castle, widow of Record Breakers star Roy, said: “It’s brilliant. At long last, 11 years after Roy died of passive smoking people have seen sense."

Its supposedly going to take effect starting next Summer.

 

[Northern Star]

Well in retrospect and speaking as a true smoker....then im gonna finish on this..........i have the utmost respect in certain places for people who do not smoke...ie restaurants....eating places of all descriptions....but i think its unfair to say that as a none smoker you are sick of being forced to breaath in smoke in pubs and clubs...fair comment but you chose to be there in the 1st place......if ya dont like it then why the hell do you all go to these places im not going to contradict myself here because if the smoking ban goes ahead then im not going to go to these places because i do wanna be able to smoke.....pointless me goin there and whining about my not being able to smoke i jus wont go....it works both ways..anyways ive had enough of this issue its only ever gonna be an argument between smokers and none smokers which im not up for...im not pissed off with anyone in particular i just dont like being dictated to by the government

what happens when people do start quitting......less income for the government from cigarettes the bars and club prices will no doubt go up through lack of custom (which will happen i think) and who is left with the burden of making up this loss in tax......we are...the tax payer

but hey the government will do as they chose anyway no point argueing about it

 

[Lozzie]

but you chose to be there in the 1st place......if ya dont like it then why the hell do you all go to these places

Why the hell should a non smoker NOT go to somewhere coz Smokers are choosing to kill themselves through smoking?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Fiona Castle, widow of Record Breakers star Roy, said: “It’s brilliant. At long last, 11 years after Roy died of passive smoking people have seen sense."

 

[GucciGurl]

Does this ban apply to Nightclubs??

Yes all bars and nightclubs, :S

Ohhh well got a year till it takes effect, hopefully i will of stopped by then,

 

[Northern Star]

Why the hell should a non smoker NOT go to somewhere coz Smokers are choosing to kill themselves through smoking?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

im not saying dont go to these places.....the point im trying to make is that a none smoker will complain about being subjected to smoke and smells etc but still venture to these places..when if i really was opoosed to something i wouldnt be going.......which is exactly the stand i will take when i can no longer enjoy a cig in such establishments ..smoker or not....lets face it.....which ever way the book is thrown on this one one half is gonna be dissapointed:| no point us falling out about it is there
I really dont see why a full smoking ban is necessary.....spereate smoke rooms with adequate ventilation should sufice...compromise is the key here

 

[wildpitch]

Here's a good (in my mind) secondary question... Should you moan about smoking bans, proposed bans, investigations into proposed bans etc, if you don't actively vote in parliamentary elections?

Rant over. Ez.

lol, nice closing bit there mate.

segregation and consideration are what's called for. I went for a decent scoff a few weeks back and the few of us that fancied post scoff cig had to go outside

 

[Str33tb0y]

reet im gonna put me two cents worth in!


For me a total ban was thw rong decision. I am a smoker and I would like to give up, but this is certainly not an incentive for me to do so! If anything it makes me wanna smoke more to say F**k off to the government, stop interfering in my life!

What I dont understand is why we cant have smoking rooms in pubs.clubs.

Surely it is easy to say any1 that works in these smoking rooms also has to be a smoker, if your a non-smoker you dont work in a smoking room.

What this is going to do is move all of smokers onto the streets outside of the pubs....expect lots of violence fighting and general trouble to appear outside britains pubs when the ban kicks in.

Also my uncle is a member of the british legion, he enjoys his pipe and a pint down the legion. Ur telling me that someone who has represented the country in the falklands war cant enjoy a toot on his pipe whilst drinking a pint in his private club...where the majority of other members smoke i might add including the bar staff, I think that is extremely unfair.

If there is a such an outrage against smoking then why not ban it comletely. I know lets also ban alcohol, because that is the main cause of violence in this country, lets also ban driving cos it dangerous, ban fatty foods cos we dont pay enuff in tax in our country and the NHS system is gonna die when we are all old cos we are all fat and obese.....

If everyone in this country who smokes gave up today...the country would be on its knees financially. Smoking makes 8 Billion a year in tax money for the governement, i would say theats enuff to keep the NHS going wouldnt you?



anyways lol rant over, but that really did pee me off yesterday....we always go from one extreme to another in this country...what happened to finding the middle ground?

 

[Lozzie]

If there is a such an outrage against smoking then why not ban it comletely. I know lets also ban alcohol, because that is the main cause of violence in this country, lets also ban driving cos it dangerous, ban fatty foods cos we dont pay enuff in tax in our country and the NHS system is gonna die when we are all old cos we are all fat and obese.....

What a load of codswollop!!!! Now they don't have a problem with you smoking....kill yourself slowly, see of they care. They would never ban it completely, not any time soon anyway. All that would do is push it underground with Drugs etc.

If everyone in this country who smokes gave up today...the country would be on its knees financially. Smoking makes 8 Billion a year in tax money for the governement, i would say theats enuff to keep the NHS going wouldnt you?

Id say it about pays for the money the NHS spends to try and sort out smoking related desease too.....

anyways lol rant over, but that really did pee me off yesterday....we always go from one extreme to another in this country...what happened to finding the middle ground?

In a few years (say a few decades) It will be the norm, future generations wont start(can't go to the bowling alley/club/retaurant and smoke, so let's not), this a realistic way of abolishing the worlds BIGGEST killer. People are to in need of a short term quick fix instant gratification style solution to a problem. These never work.....look at the NHS for example. I think this is one of the best things toni blair will have done.


Oh and in reply to your "It will mean more fighting on the streets etc" Where the hell did you get your councill on that comment???? Look at New York. It has been NON smoking for two years and it has only benefitted. No riots, businesses haven't squandered from it. It is just normal.

 

[Str33tb0y]

erm no offence me dears but down town new york (ive been!) and feltham high street on a friday and saturday night are not the same thing!

and some bars are smokin only in New York. (they can apply for exemptions over there) again finding the middle ground this country so far has lacked to find!

right i can see ive struck a nerve and never meant to do that so im gonna shut up now cos I could go on forever about this subject, what I will say is that If I choose to kill myself by smoking i will and the goverment changing the rules over smoking is not going to stop me doing that, I will give up when i choose.!

 

[Lozzie]

erm no offence me dears but down town new york (ive been!) and feltham high street on a friday and saturday night are not the same thing!

What does that imply, there aren't rough areas on NY???

and some bars are smokin only in New York. (they can apply for exemptions over there) again finding the middle ground this country so far has lacked to find!

Does it say that there will be a complete ban everywhere? Aren't there going to be private memebers clubs etc??? I presume that there are these in NY...

 

[Sully]

fantastic news and about time - stop people blowin smoke all over me when i'm out.

i was in dublin a few weeks ago and you notice how much cleaner the bars look without a layer of nicotine tinged smog hangin over you.

thumbs up from me......

 

[Str33tb0y]

im implying that the drinking culture infact the general culture in the US is quite different to that of the UK, as it is in Europe!

look im not against banning smoking in public places(in fact im in favour of it! i do feel guilty about blowing my smoke infront of peeps that dont smoke!) im just asking for a choice, thats not unfair is it?

oh and in this country we have decided to ban it everywhere unless it is a public place considered to be similar to a home or residency like for instance an army barracks or an old peoples home

 

[lastnightadj]

In a few years (say a few decades) It will be the norm, future generations wont start(can't go to the bowling alley/club/retaurant and smoke, so let's not), this a realistic way of abolishing the worlds BIGGEST killer.

That about sums it up for me

 

[Northern Star]

oh and in this country we have decided to ban it everywhere unless it is a public place considered to be similar to a home or residency like for instance an army barracks or an old peoples home

yes yes...and you can add 'HOSPITALS' to that list m8 too :| wtf is that all about saying you are allowed to smoke in a hosp yet one day we wont be able to give you health care because you smoke summat wrong wioth this country i think

 

[Northern Star]

Originally Posted by Lozzie
In a few years (say a few decades) It will be the norm, future generations wont start(can't go to the bowling alley/club/retaurant and smoke, so let's not), this a realistic way of abolishing the worlds BIGGEST killer.

thats fair comment....but.......

taketh away with one hand and bringeth on the next one

take away smoking the next generation wil find summat else.....we did hence

 

[Str33tb0y]

yes yes...and you can add 'HOSPITALS' to that list m8 too :| wtf is that all about saying you are allowed to smoke in a hosp yet one day we wont be able to give you health care because you smoke summat wrong wioth this country i think

yeah i agree mate, for me its going to create another problem, and to think that people wont start smoking just cos its banned in pubs etc is a little blinkered for me. I mean i started smoking at school at lunch time with me mates outside the sweetshop.....isnt that where a lot of young peeps start...will the ban stop them from doing this im not so sure

 

[sweet sensation]

As an ex smoker I can see both sides of this arguement. I would have hated being told where and when I can smoke when I was a smoker and it certainly wouldnt make me give up smoking if I didnt want to. Its a personal choice thing and people are arguing cos they feel like they are having that choice taken away from them. The thing is tho, unlike alcohol, drugs etc it does affect other people's health on a daily basis. Ok you can say alcohol and drugs do too, but that isnt the issue here.

How many people can really honestly say that they really want to smoke? Yes you can say you enjoy a cigarette at the time, but do you see yourself as being a smoker for the rest of your life?

I think if anyone says that they dont EVER want to give up, then they are lying. Ok with the possible exception of old people who have smoked all their lives.

All the people I know who smoke, have said on at least one ocassion that they want to give up. So why not see this as a positive step in helping you give up smoking?

I gave up smoking last year for numerous reasons, the ban being one of them, the price another :| I do have the ocassional cigarette when Im in a pub or club, but that is cos people around me are smoking and it makes me fancy one. If people around me didnt smoke then I wouldnt have one

Personally in my current situation of a non smoker, I think its a good idea, cos it will remove any temptation I have of having a cigarette when Im a bit pissed lol

Ive chose not to smoke anymore so I dont really want to smoke someones elses cigarette either :S

 

[Jiglo]

I'm totally in favour of the ban in all public places

I've been to 2 countries where smoking is banned inside public places and it works really well. They all had smoking areas outside but within the nightclub's property and I didn't hear one complaint from any smokers just popping outside for a cig even when it was cold outside.

Waking up the next day feeling and smelling fresh was amazing too!

The only thing that annoys me though is that smoking is still going to be allowed in The Houses Of Parliament Talk about double standards

 

[turpieaj]

What a kerfuffle - I don't frequent pubs much nowadays as a non smoker, but its not the fag smoke that gets to me - I find the prices the pubs charge more damaging to my health lol.

 

[Lozzie]

Originally Posted by Lozzie
In a few years (say a few decades) It will be the norm, future generations wont start(can't go to the bowling alley/club/retaurant and smoke, so let's not), this a realistic way of abolishing the worlds BIGGEST killer.

thats fair comment....but.......

taketh away with one hand and bringeth on the next one

take away smoking the next generation wil find summat else.....we did hence

Druga have been around alot longer than we. Also, I like the idea of the ban, not just for the smoke free thing, but because....like you say, another thing will crop up (like when we find a cure for cancer, mother nature will only find somthing else...it is the laws of things) BUT we are learning how as a collective to deal with a situation.


If youthink, our race is very young. As indeviduals, we can be cleaver and strong. As a collective, we are weak, and very immature. If you imagine the human race like a todler in mentality (Oww...you've stolen my toy car, Im gonna bomb your country!) We are still learning how to deal with situations.

This situation is just like the first time you trust your beliefs and are patient in a situation (let things take their course), then eventually what you have done comes good. With youth comes impatience and and a need for instant gratification, it with experience and faith that you learn otherwise.

Personally I think the life of the human race as a collective mirrors that of an indevidual. That is why, stupid things happen in the world (war) that as indeviduals we cant comprehend. It is just society knows of no better way to deal with things.

I think (IMO) this is more than just a ban of smoking in public places....it is a move towards stepping out of the destructive behavior our society follows.





(Soz for the rant......I somtimes need a vent for the things I think about)Thanx lol xxx