Smoking Ban

[Str33tb0y]

well said

sorry if i offended you mate i never intended too :$

 

[Lozzie]

well said

sorry if i offended you mate i never intended too :$

If you are talking to me, Thank you.

I would NEVER get offended by what others say in coversations or disgussions like these, I go in with all ferrocity and conviction (I was on the debating team at school)This is a disgussion, we shouldn't ever think it is personal...coz It's not.

It's not like you're turning round and saying "Loz...I think you're shit and have a fat head" Even then I don't think I would be offended...but you know what I mean!LOLOL

 

[Str33tb0y]

yes i was talking to you.....


Just wouldnt want to upset any peeps on ere as I think the diversity we have here is what helps to make it a good forum


plus i consider myself to be a nice bloke and get paranoid about offending peeps wiv some of my forth right issues. like yourself I love debates, lol i watch question time every week!

 

[jenwah]

i reckon its a bit out of order, cause there are people out there who couldnt quit if they tried!!! and it is steepin on the toes of ur rights as a human being.

although, i can see it form the point of view where it would b a good thing. i am a smoker, but i dnt intend to b forever by any means.

when poeple are smokin, its not jus their health thy're affectin. so when i go to work, smoker or nt, i am still bein exposed to the same carcinogens from other people smokin, for a constant 4 hours, at least 5 or 6 times a week (includin when i go out) so i can see it from the point that the non-smokers also have a right to go into a pub or a club and not have to breathe in smoke, and since the non-smokers way is healthier, i voted ban it

 

[woody]

What a load of codswollop!!!! Now they don't have a problem with you smoking....kill yourself slowly, see of they care. They would never ban it completely, not any time soon anyway. All that would do is push it underground with Drugs etc.

Id say it about pays for the money the NHS spends to try and sort out smoking related desease too.....



In a few years (say a few decades) It will be the norm, future generations wont start(can't go to the bowling alley/club/retaurant and smoke, so let's not), this a realistic way of abolishing the worlds BIGGEST killer. People are to in need of a short term quick fix instant gratification style solution to a problem. These never work.....look at the NHS for example. I think this is one of the best things toni blair will have done.


Oh and in reply to your "It will mean more fighting on the streets etc" Where the hell did you get your councill on that comment???? Look at New York. It has been NON smoking for two years and it has only benefitted. No riots, businesses haven't squandered from it. It is just normal.

Top post Loz

 

[ilovepiano]

What about in airports, say if you're waiting for a connecting flight and can't go outside? Anyone know what the crack is with that?

Its gonna be great though, big crowds of people stood outside the pubs and clubs, blocking the entrance so you can't get in.

 

[ScouseCol]

I decided to give up smoking about 6/8 months ago, one of the reasons was because i knew this ban was going to happen and i knew it would be hell going for a bevy if i was gagging for a ciggie all night while in a club and not being able to have one. so the best thing to do was give up smoking, thus eradicating that problem. so all in all, it's not been a bad thing for me, I'm about £200 a month better off now and i only stink of old spice instead of old spice AND ciggies when i go out now

I'm not so sure they've banned it for the sole reason of protecting peoples health, if they was that worried about stopping people smoking so they wont die why don't they just ban ciggie's ?!! I'm sure it's got nothin to do with the tax on them has it

it's all my arse really, I'm not really that bothered either way.

 

[sirius]

The issue for me isnt whether people should smoke or not in indoor public places, its the fact that the government are taking away the rights of the people in what is VASTLY becomming a new communist policed state. As they say "The road to destruction is always paved with good intentions".

Whats next? Whats the next thing these conformist nazi's of society will orchestrate now smoking is out of the way? My bet is it will be alcohol and food stuffs 'for our own good'. How absurd does it have to get? Tagged, cars tracked, biometric ID's, tracking civilians, limits to what you can and cant say or show, law after law to shut down all our freedoms in the name of the "war on terror", which effectively increasingly makes our society resemble those places where the islamofascists seek to reassemble here.......

Its a hard one, this smoking one, cos it will hopefully stop people smoking and people who have to work for long periods in places where its filled with smoke wont have to risk cancer. Smoking is indeed a filthy habit, I dont smoke, but I can stand an hour or three in a pub with mild smoking now and again quite safely......but the fact remains that the line is continually being drawn IN LAW that crosses the point of acceptable interferance in peoples lives.

Surely there must be other measures to stop people smoking? Also, in the states, the air purification systems are amazing, but they havent even been tried here! We have extractors and whatever, seperate rooms, but nothing like the same as thiers.

We seem to be increasingly being tret as children, and in severe breach of the law on an increasing basis if we deviate from nanny state. Thats the most worrying thing to me.

There must be other ways to curb the addiction of smoking other than laws, rules and regulations.......

......smoking isnt good, so as far as that goes its good news for all involved......but liberty wise its not so good where we are heading at all, so Im torn.

 

[brixtonite]

question for Sirius (and others of course...)

And if the result of a national referendum was to agree to the ban on smoking in enclosed public places?...

The issue for me isnt whether people should smoke or not in indoor public places, its the fact that the government are taking away the rights of the people in what is VASTLY becomming a new communist policed state. As they say "The road to destruction is always paved with good intentions".

Whats next? Whats the next thing these conformist nazi's of society will orchestrate now smoking is out of the way? My bet is it will be alcohol and food stuffs 'for our own good'. How absurd does it have to get? Tagged, cars tracked, biometric ID's, tracking civilians, limits to what you can and cant say or show, law after law to shut down all our freedoms in the name of the "war on terror", which effectively increasingly makes our society resemble those places where the islamofascists seek to reassemble here.......

Its a hard one, this smoking one, cos it will hopefully stop people smoking and people who have to work for long periods in places where its filled with smoke wont have to risk cancer. Smoking is indeed a filthy habit, I dont smoke, but I can stand an hour or three in a pub with mild smoking now and again quite safely......but the fact remains that the line is continually being drawn IN LAW that crosses the point of acceptable interferance in peoples lives.

Surely there must be other measures to stop people smoking? Also, in the states, the air purification systems are amazing, but they havent even been tried here! We have extractors and whatever, seperate rooms, but nothing like the same as thiers.

We seem to be increasingly being tret as children, and in severe breach of the law on an increasing basis if we deviate from nanny state. Thats the most worrying thing to me.

There must be other ways to curb the addiction of smoking other than laws, rules and regulations.......

......smoking isnt good, so as far as that goes its good news for all involved......but liberty wise its not so good where we are heading at all, so Im torn.

 

[Northern Star]

Here's a good (in my mind) secondary question... Should you moan about smoking bans, proposed bans, investigations into proposed bans etc, if you don't actively vote in parliamentary elections?

Rant over. Ez.

i think this is a ridiculous statement tim.......basically you are saying here that im not allowed to comment because i dont vote, bollox!!!! Your statement is almost as bad as saying if your a smoker your not going to be entitled to health care

i dont vote for good reason...none of them are worth voting for......its like trying to pick the best of a bad bunch.......for every one reason i may have to vote for which ever party there is a million reasons not to vote for them but i am appaulled you feel i cant express an opinion........i dont like the descision to ban smoking but theres not a lot a lot i can do about it......like i said earlier.......its the dictatorship im against more

Sirius for prime minister can i be your right hand man mate

 

[Str33tb0y]

yep totally agree debs, i didnt vote this time round because I like yourself think they are all much of a muchness ie there all pretty crap...again goes back to my point about having choice!. For me what really annoyed me was that they dont count spoilt ballet papers anymore. I wanted to show that I am abstaining from voting and for my abstanance (duno if thats the right word lol) to be counted but i cant even do that as the government have changed those rules too.

this country is slowly going down the pan, personally If my parents didnt live here then id be off like a shot to somewhere where we are not all treated like children

 

[Jiglo]

If my parents didnt live here then id be off like a shot to somewhere where we are not all treated like children

Where's that then mate?

Anyway I don't see the new ban as the product of a dictatorship, I see it taking the first positive step towards a healthier nation, where non smokers rights aren't infringed upon. If smoking didn't affect other people then I could understand those against the ban's reasoning, but the fact is it DOES!

A smoker can choose when and where they want to intoxicate the air, or stop intoxicating the air, a non smoker doesn't always have that choice because smokers don't always think about non smokers interests! This bill sticks up for people that shouldn't have to breathe in another person's toxins because the smoker is often too selfish to smoke elsewhere.

 

[Northern Star]

Jiglo m8....i hear what you are saying......but i think you are missing the point for many of us smokers.........personally i dont mind it being banned in most public places...i dont smoke when eating dinner......etc....but what i would call for is in pubs and clubs a seperate enclosed smoking area adequately ventelated where we go in and out to have a cig no one is infringing on anybodys rights then....everyone is happy.......and bobs yer mothers brother a compromise........which is what i feel the issue is here......no compromise at all...... we as smokers are being made to feel like second hand citizens.......lepers....callm it what you like..........

 

[ilovepiano]

A smoker can choose when and where they want to intoxicate the air, or stop intoxicating the air, a non smoker doesn't always have that choice because smokers don't always think about non smokers interests!

So maybe we should get some landlords to open some "non-smoking" bars and clubs. That way everyone has a choice.

 

[Jiglo]

It doesn't work like it should though Debs because the non smoking room will be just empty because everybody will go into the smoking part lol

I spent 3 months in Canada and saw this ban put in place with an outside area for smokers and it worked a treat. I had a few mates there that smoked and had to go outside for a cig and they didn't complain about it at all. It just worked!!

 

[Jiglo]

So maybe we should get some landlords to open some "non-smoking" bars and clubs. That way everyone has a choice.

Well said mate, choice!

At the moment it's non smokers that don't have a choice. That isn't without it's own problems though what you suggested, because the staff have rights too

 

[Ponka]

Your statement is almost as bad as saying if your a smoker your not going to be entitled to health care

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

 

[Northern Star]

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

I think thats well cheeky..i am a tax payer.......i also pay plenty of tax thro buying cigerettes............so are you also saying a person who drinks shouldnt be allowed treatment either......what you are saying is..... i shoiuld be left to die because i smoke:| :| my mum had cancer through smoking........which she was beating thanks to the treatment until her liver packed up through drinking...........i take it you are total.....or are you contradicting yourself and actually poisoning your body........with alcohol and drugs....:| and hence should therefore be refused treatment because of it

 

[ilovepiano]

because the staff have rights too

Yeah true, but if you don't want to work in a smokey environment, then don't get a job in a bar. It's simple.

Kind of like, I don't want people to throw grenades at me and fire an M16 in my ass, so I'm not going to be joining the army. lol

 

[Northern Star]

Kind of like, I don't want people to throw grenades at me and fire an M16 in my ass, so I'm not going to be joining the army. lol

yep thatd do it for me too tim