Smoking Ban

[Biskit]

ban the sticks, n anybody who smokes needs their head read !! It's these poisoness sticks that made my dad very very ill.

 

[Northern Star]

ban the sticks, n anybody who smokes needs their head read !! It's these poisoness sticks that made my dad very very ill.

Id give up tomoz if it was that easy biskit m8........seriously i think a lot of people would........its an addiction though and i know ive done it before but it got the better of me...ill do it again though one day i do think there are a lot of people who struggle giving up though

 

[Biskit]

Id give up tomoz if it was that easy biskit m8........seriously i think a lot of people would........its an addiction though and i know ive done it before but it got the better of me...ill do it again though one day i do think there are a lot of people who struggle giving up though

if you could see what my dads been thru, you easily give up, my mum did, n she smoked for 40 years. Ive never touched one, coz i had sense, + i saw what my dad hasd had to go thru

I know its hard to give up, but if you really want to, you can

 

[Northern Star]

if you could see what my dads been thru, you easily give up, my mum did, n she smoked for 40 years. Ive never touched one, coz i had sense, + i saw what my dad hasd had to go thru

I know its hard to give up, but if you really want to, you can

Aye i know m8......and i know how ya feel about your pa to im pretty much the same with my mum still have a drink but i dont drink much when i do these days im very concious of it its like you say see something first hand and it will have an effect

 

[sirius]

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

Maybe people who eat too many cakes shouldnt get thier over strained knees treated eh? Maybe people who sit at a computer all day and night (for work and home) shouldnt get treated if they have a brain tumour develop, maybe DJ's shouldnt recieve treatment for Tinnitus for they knew the music was loud, perhaps car drivers shouldnt be treated if they sever a leg as they wrap thier car round a lampost, cos they knew cars were dangerous before they set off.........:| Who the f'ck WILL get treated if we go down that road?. lol.

All I can say to that as some form of compromise is a three times and youre out rule or something, (even though I dont think thats particularly right!), but say somebody develops a short term condition through drinking or whatever, if they cannot take heed of the seriousness and break the chain, then the third time they should have to pay for it themselves or something :S .

Whats really wrong is that society is wrong. Rather than encourage and orchestrate a "will" of the people to change, instead the state takes over and starts legislating and "banning" everything instead......telling people addicted to cigs that it may kill them on the packet isnt really deep grained enough. lol.

To give a poor analogy, when I was at school, it was "cool" to be the thicko......you were ace if you didnt do your homework, said you couldnt be arsed to learn something, a right sound lad if you told em all where to shove it and skive off......people fell into a trap of hanging out and wanting to be "cool" in this way.
Rather than lock children up for wagging, banning them from taking exams as they "knew it may come to that" as a punishment, installing millions of pounds worth of surveilance camera's and undercover people to watch and track you, fine the parents for thier kids being "cool" etc which is typically what the governments will start to do, what we really need to do is begin to reverse the whole society psycology so that kids think its "cool" to be knowledgeable and cool that you put the extra work in and get results.......so that they revel in being the best they can, not the worst. Thats how we became a great civilisation, and it shows how far we creep in the opposite direction.....

Its like with chav's, Im convinced that about 65%-70% of these kids are "normal" kids who are sucked into being "chavvy" by association and peer issues to be "cool". "Hey, go and set fire to that litter bin it will be well cool".....if they were seperated (like splitting siamese twins) from these people for a while, Im sure some "normality" will start to reinstate itself, language skills may develop, and they might get a sense of how ridiculous knee length socks with trakky bottoms tucked in actually look! as far fetched as that sounds!! lol.

Ofcourse, its hard. But sometimes in my own wibbly wobbly world I would like this stuff to happen more often rather than the alternatives lol.

My wibbly wobbly world would be great. mwuhahahaha, mwuahahahahahahahaah!!!!

Your resident Megalomanic in the making

Sirius.

 

[T.C]

It's these poisoness sticks that made my dad very very ill.

mine too... and its the anniversary of his death in 3 weeks

Ive never even tried one, never wanted to .

 

[brixtonite]

A question, not a statement.

I do take your point - everyone has the right to reply. But its one of those basic arguments when it comes to decisions of the government... this ban was the result of a political system - if a person doesn't employ their rights of citizenship and vote, can that person argue for the resultant decisions made by that parlimentary system? You think its a ridiculous argument - fair enough. But its the fundamental that the parliamentary system works on - proportional representation - and there's no one to represent you if you don't vote. You don't get your say, as you mention below.

There's no answer to this of course - your argument holds water in that you are not confident in any of the candidates. What party does Sirius represent?

i think this is a ridiculous statement tim.......basically you are saying here that im not allowed to comment because i dont vote, bollox!!!! Your statement is almost as bad as saying if your a smoker your not going to be entitled to health care

i dont vote for good reason...none of them are worth voting for......its like trying to pick the best of a bad bunch.......for every one reason i may have to vote for which ever party there is a million reasons not to vote for them but i am appaulled you feel i cant express an opinion........i dont like the descision to ban smoking but theres not a lot a lot i can do about it......like i said earlier.......its the dictatorship im against more

Sirius for prime minister can i be your right hand man mate

 

[Jiglo]

Yeah true, but if you don't want to work in a smokey environment, then don't get a job in a bar. It's simple.

Kind of like, I don't want people to throw grenades at me and fire an M16 in my ass, so I'm not going to be joining the army. lol

Fair comment then, comparing cigs to grenades and M16's seeing as they all killers and lets face it would, you want to go into a pub with lethal weapons?

It's different though in many ways as some people need bar work as a second income or to help support them through college, but just because people currently smoke in bars doesn't mean they should!

 

[Northern Star]

It's different though in many ways as some people need bar work as a second income or to help support them through college, but just because people currently smoke in bars doesn't mean they should!

they could always go Altern 8 stylee

 

[Jiglo]

I'm still awaiting Mesh's report on the Hazy night

 

[T.C]

they could always go Altern 8 stylee

"they're going mad!"

 

[Str33tb0y]

I think thats well cheeky..i am a tax payer.......i also pay plenty of tax thro buying cigerettes............so are you also saying a person who drinks shouldnt be allowed treatment either......what you are saying is..... i shoiuld be left to die because i smoke:| :| my mum had cancer through smoking........which she was beating thanks to the treatment until her liver packed up through drinking...........i take it you are total.....or are you contradicting yourself and actually poisoning your body........with alcohol and drugs....:| and hence should therefore be refused treatment because of it

couldnt agree more, surely smokers have ervy right to health care just like others...this starts to go down the root of the nanny state. If I smoke 20 a day, which i dont now i actually cut down to 10 but if I smoked 20 a day £4 of that goes to the government. Like ive said before the budget for the NHS is 5 billion per year (if we believe what the government tell us) smoking makes 8 billion a year for the goverment so theres an extra 3 billion lying a round somewhere for the government to waste on something else. So If the smokers of this world are contributing this much to the tax system then surely they are entitled to health care just like anywhere else. Im very concerned with the way things are going here, Ive heard on the news recently peeps are being denied hip operations becasue they are over weight.....? Is this fair especially as some peeps have a lot of trouble with their weight thru no fault of there own i might add.

For me the most interesting thing that will come out of this is how nightclubs will handle this, as I would say a good 50% of peeps that go clubbing also smoke (ok im generalising here but thats certainly what it feels like when i go clubbing a on the few occassions i do these days).

Would have been nice to have a seperate room for smoking in pubs , really didnt see the issue against this here, surely they can say that the only people being made to work in these rooms are also smokers?

I am worried about the effect of lots of peeps miling about outside our pubs smoking whilst being drunk, i really feel there could be a lot of social problems created by this which seems to have been overlooked

EDIT they had this debate on question time last night, and one person came up with a very interesting point something that Debs also made earlier in the thread...is when every1 gives up like the government tells us, where's the shortfall in tax money going to come from?....aslo if every lives longer cos there not smoking wheres all the money going to come from for pensions etc and more health care cos old people get ill fact.

Thing is you non smokers and us smokers will all get clobbered for tax money from other sources for example petrol....should be interesting to see what happens in this respect over the next few years

 

[Jiglo]

Maybe some people do pay £4 tax per 20 cigs, but a lot don't

Even years ago when somebody did a survey at Chelsea's stadium, they found that most of the empty cig packets left behind were from the black market. That was years ago and probably every smoker I know buys the illicit cigs when available these days

Maybe the UK packs should come with a national insurance contribution then to show that you're paying for your healthcare lol.

I think that every UK citizen born here should be entitled to free healthcare though, regardless of how they came about needing the healthcare. But I also think that the smokers that use the "our cig taxes pay for our healthcare" line when they're always smoking imported cigs that are probably contributing to another countries healthcare, is just laughable.

 

[Northern Star]

I But I also think that the smokers that use the "our cig taxes pay for our healthcare" line when they're always smoking imported cigs that are probably contributing to another countries healthcare, is just laughable.

Well im a smoker and i wouldnt even know how to obtain cigs on the black market i think those peeps are in the minority and therefore the res of us honest decent tax paying contributors shouldnt be tarred with the same brush.........its only the same as the rasiscm issue......not all muslims are bad......see the simlarity

 

[Str33tb0y]

Well im a smoker and i wouldnt even know how to obtain cigs on the black market i think those peeps are in the minority and therefore the res of us honest decent tax paying contributors shouldnt be tarred with the same brush.........its only the same as the rasiscm issue......not all muslims are bad......see the simlarity

yeah sorry but ive never bought illegal dodgy fags in my life and dont know any1 that does. Ive been know to buy large quantities of duty free but thats about it, I buy my fags at sainsburys once a week lol

 

[Jiglo]

and finally

So there's nobody selling cheap cigs in your areas?

London was over run by them when I used to work there

Must just be Chelsea's fans, my mates and somebody did a survey at Anfield a good while ago too and came to the same conclusion. So that must mean most Chelsea and Liverpool fans plus my mates and the people I come in contact then while the rest of the nation buy the far more expensive cigs from reputable suppliers

Well you learn something new every day!

 

[Pissbag]

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

o dear


right do any of ur family smoke? .....if so would any of the bollox i quoted you on still count?

 

[murfso]

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

jesus thats an awful thing to say

so if u smoke and get cancer u shouldnt be treated im glad u aint head of the health service anyway :|

 

[Konspiracy]

I dont think you should be allowed any healthcare for smoking related illnesses, obviously if it is something else unrelated then thats okay but I think that if you want to poison your body by smoking for years then suddenly develop lung cancer (god forbid) then you shouldnt expect the taxpayer to fund your treatment, its your own fault really. Okay maybe people who have smoked for years when the dangers weren't highlighted might deserve healthcare but certainly not younger generations where every pack these days says smoking kills on them. The NHS should just turn around and say tough.

Completely agree, let the fuckers die, in fact, drag them into the street, get the stocks out and chuck tomatoes at the disgusting blights on society

String em up, thats my opinion, and if you dont like it then we should definitely bring back hanging, its overdue

 

[murfso]

Completely agree, let the fuckers die, in fact, drag them into the street, get the stocks out and chuck tomatoes at the disgusting blights on society

String em up, thats my opinion, and if you dont like it then we should definitely bring back hanging, its overdue

LMFAO u dont smoke do u neil