well me n the wife av ad sum good news , were gonna av a baby , its took 5 years after a misscarrage we ad ~& other probs , we were just about to start ivf , ( yes i've dumped my junk in a cup) and she ad a scan a day after my b/day n found ther was a baby jukes in there , well we've ad our 12 week scan n all looks well :carrot: