High On Hope: Could YOU make it happen?

[Steve Williams]

High on hope

Piers , just get someone to post it on You tube maybe deny all knowledge .Theres no way its worth putting that amount of money into something that used to be free.
You are a great film producer/maker hope your wedding went ok but its soo difficult to make a return on this unless you get Granada interested etc.
No way would I pay £5k a track to anyone, do the whole lot and let the lawyers chase you for the money I would be very surprised if they would chase you unless you make pure £££.six 00s
Just put it out ....worry later thats what we used to do...no one will hit you unless its worth there while, id be very surprised .

As Tony Said All publicity is good publicity remember

 

[ikontraband]

Barrie - as ever - you are the oracle Thanks.

I don't want to hijack the thread anymore just for own curiosity BUT is it normal to have a flat fee as a remix so the publishing rights remain with the original artist and / or label ? Thinking specfically about remixes that are so different to the base tune they could be considered original works in their own right...

Or is that a can of worms lol

remixers get a flat fee which can be crap but theres another music collection system called PPL ,

PPL : Home

this is something id never heard of until a few years back its quite complicated as its a break down of the performing rights on a song , singer / musician / remixer ect ect

ive actually been putting a few people in touch with contacts to get them this money , and it can be quite a few quid , ie one of the artists i booked few yrs back had a 5 figure sum of cash they knew nothing about which they now have , and several other acts ive had on have also had money owing to them for work on tracks , and remixes theyve done , espech ones that have been big chart hits ,

ive also been trying to help out several US artists/remixers try n claim any UK stuff they might be entitled too, but the rules are so confusing + different IE - if the track was recorded in US they generally get nothin in UK , but as you see on lots of US import cds / 12s they say UK radio version or UK edit so they can claim money off radio play ect over here ,:S

its a minefield i tell yer , but theres sometimes a good commission on it so its worth helping out with this


anyways fingers crossed with a few heads on board with project its defo gonna happren ,

as they say "where theres a will theres a way"

 

[Shooms]

Great link & feedback Ian - thanks

@ Steve Williams... great to have you back on here mate

 

[Mister_DJ]

Piers , just get someone to post it on You tube maybe deny all knowledge .Theres no way its worth putting that amount of money into something that used to be free.
You are a great film producer/maker hope your wedding went ok but its soo difficult to make a return on this unless you get Granada interested etc.
No way would I pay £5k a track to anyone, do the whole lot and let the lawyers chase you for the money I would be very surprised if they would chase you unless you make pure £££.six 00s
Just put it out ....worry later thats what we used to do...no one will hit you unless its worth there while, id be very surprised .

As Tony Said All publicity is good publicity remember

There's 100s of tracks to choose from surely and not all of them attracting interest from the money grabbers. Will the copyright have lapsed on some stuff??

Granted, you're going to want one or two proper BB tracks for deffo, like HU, but throw the list out there for us to see

Mart

 

[ikontraband]

another money making idea , once the tracks have been licensed you could also do a mix cd , just like the Pump Up The Volume cd

Various - History Of House (2xCD, Comp) at Discogs


which followed the very cool tv mini series, phones:

 

[Barrie Jay]

I think the problem with throwing caution to the wind Steve is that at some point to get the film distibributed you would have to perhaps prove that you own the copyright to all the soundtrack - if not proof I reckon you would, at least, have to sign that you do - and then you are opening the potential to be sued by both the actual copyright owners and maybe by the distributors.

I think, for a film, it should all be done legal and above board.

Nice to see so many heads on here trying to help out.

 

[NickSheldon]

Superb

I've just given this thread the quick once over, and seen the trailer.
Theres gotta be a way to sort it without paying 5k a track.
If I can help in any way I will.
Great project, and I'll think on.

 

[adamw]

... at some point to get the film distibributed you would have to perhaps prove that you own the copyright to all the soundtrack - if not proof I reckon you would, at least, have to sign that you do - and then you are opening the potential to be sued by both the actual copyright owners and maybe by the distributors.

I think, for a film, it should all be done legal and above board.

A very good point there Barrie...

 

[Jiglo]

Ah, bummer on the lack of funds Adam. I really hope this project succeeds

You'd think the owners of the material would take a cut of the profits rather than lose out and get nothing, so it beggars belief if they don't choose that option

Good luck anyway:beer:

 

[Steve Williams]

Piers
How many mix tapes are being punted about and sold, 5K for strings for life
I will play it on here tomorrow and id like to see them take me to court corporate bull sh1t and cash on the back of Acid Warehouse Scene ....I dont think so

 

[adamw]

Ok Folks, sorry for the late follow-up on this, Piers has got back to me with the tracklist and where he currently stands with this. I thought it best to post his last e-mail to me in full as it gives the complete picture of where he is at and why he can't currently progress.

Looking at the publishing list, I think there's a deal to be done here, without a doubt. As Ian said previously "where there's a will, there's a way", so there's got to be a solution...

...and before we go any further, let's not get hung up on the chosen tracks, OK?

Here's the current situation - over to you...

"Adam,

I think the £5k and £80k targets need clarifying for the Board members. I originally had a quote from a music clearance specialist who told me that this would cost up to £5k a track to clear, maybe more in some cases but they felt that would be very unusual given the type of tracks they are. There are 16 tracks so that is a target of £80k to raise but it should be less than that. Unfortunately I don't have any money left, having borrowed £17K to make the film, so even if it was £2K a track ie £32K I would not have the money to pay for clearance. I am looking for sponsorship for £80K based on a highest case scenario but should i get say only £50K or £30K I could go to the publishers and labels and offer them a take it or leave it deal and see what they say. If I did get someone wealthy enough to offer up to £80K support any change from the music clearances can be used for marketing, as there is nothing there for that at the moment, things like a proper website, iPhone app, merchandising etc.

Also it's important that people should know that in most cases I have spoken to the artists directly and they have been really helpful. Bill Drummond from KLF was brilliant. He never lets people use their music and he has given me free use for non-commercial screenings. I have spoken to Graham Massey from 808 State and he then contacted their label and asked them to be as helpful as they could as he really wanted their music to be a part of the film. The same with Daniel Davoli, Suddi, Gerald and Frank De Wulf. So there is some hope of it not being £5K for every track. (If anyone has a contact for the Hartnel brothers / Orbital that would be useful).

The problem is that even if the artists pressure the labels, the publishers are much more hard-nosed about getting money, after all it’s their job and times are hard for the music industry now. We all share music and unfortunately that means there is less money for the publishers to be lenient when a good cause like this comes along. So I don't know an exact figure yet. What I don't want to do is tell a potential sponsor this could happen for say £30K when in fact it will cost much more…

I hope that makes sense… "

1. Artist-------------------------------Label------------------Publisher
2. Secret Track------------------------n/a-------------------n/a
3. 808 State - Pacific State------------ZTT-------------------ZTT
4. Wood Allen – Airport ’89-------------Back to Artist----------Back To Artist
5. A Guy Called Gerald-Voodo Ray------Rham / Back To Artist--Chrysalis
6. 808 State – Cubic Sate-------------ZTT-------------------ZTT
7. Sweet Exorcist – TestOne-----------Warp------------------EMI
8. Age Of Love – Age Of Love----------Back To Artist---------Back To Artist
9. Tricky Disco – Tricky Disco----------Warp------------------Warner Chappell
10. Secret Track-----------------------Warner Bros------------n/a
11. Orbital – Chime---------------------Warner Bros------------Universal
12. Together – Hardcore Uproar---------Warner Bros------------Back To Artist
13. KLF – It’s Grim Up North-------------Back To Artist----------Universal
14. Candy Flip – Strawberry Fields Forever-Warner Bros----------Beatles / Northern Songs
15. Modular Expansion Unit – Workaholics-Back To Artist---------Back To Artist
16. KLF – Last Train To Transcentral-----Back To Artist----------Universal
17. Mr Fingers – Can You Feel It?--------Demon Music-----------Demon Music

 

[ste huxley]

>>Modular Expansion Unit – Workaholics-Back To Artist---------Back To Artist

I was surprised to see this one then, its a great track, good choice all round as well, hope you get sorted and everyone plays ball

 

[Shooms]

KLF credited to Universal ??

I am VERY surprised at that... I thought that all ownership was retained by KLF Comms & they only licensed tracks out... Also they deleted their back cat so presumably nothing is owned ??

 

[adamw]

That may be the case in the UK, buit they may have deals in place worldwide?
(see Ian's earlier post about it getting complicated!)

 

[Mister_DJ]

Pleasing to hear the artists are being really positive about all this.

So what would the score be with a soundtrack?

Meaning - could the tracks be licensed to appear in the film without paying up front, all based on a soundtrack being put together with whatever cut of the profits then going to the publishers?

And, sorry to blatantly hijack the acid house movie idea, but what about a "warehouse" tour with key artists as PA's? That would generate some income.

Im certainly salivating at the original 808 State line up sharing a bill with the KLF and some quality DJs (Steve Williams perhaps )

Mart

 

[coggledots]

And, sorry to blatantly hijack the acid house movie idea, but what about a "warehouse" tour with key artists as PA's? That would generate some income.

Now theres a plan. A 'promo tour' for an 'upcoming film'

Promote the tour & the film (cheap & easy the online way). Go to the bank & say 'look i've sold X amount of tickets for these events, lend me some money to put them on'. Get more coin from event sponsors after getting sorted by bank & getting promo nights in order.

Put on the events & make enough money to make the film. Pay back bank loan. Easy

Edit: just thought of added bonus, show trailer/preview of film at the events to promote the film, so ya winner both ways lol

Tis just like Dragons den in here aint it lol!

 

[Northern Star]

Wow that actually sounds like a really exciting prospect......