A real DJ on the 'Instant DJ'

[MANC]

DJ Revolution, talking sense to me

I know times change and things that were once highly skilled and only mastered thru time, patience and love will inevitably become easier to master due to more advanced and cheaper technology (think how Photoshop and Illustraitor have changed Graphic Design) but something is taken away. Like its losing its soul and too much of the creativity...

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[sevenuk]

Too true

anyone can put a record on, or take a photo - its having an ear to make them blend, knowing your craft, your tunes to take the listener/dancer on an aural journey and let come with you, let them feel part of something - your journey

thats my nostalgic trip for today

 

[U31]

Utter tosh. reeks of snobbery.
If the cheap crap he hates gets someone new in to it, to learn the arts, then as far as i'm concerned its job done.
The better equipment will come later if needed

He even states himself he learnt on " Cheap Crap".

 

[Brock Landers]

I agree with U31. Utter, utter bollocks.

So I'm in Best buy buying a new TV and I find that they sell midi contollers and fancy one. Do you think I "Don't like music" or "Don't feel it?" Why would I spend my money on something if I didn't have "passion" for it?

Many people buy these things because they are: -

1) Too young to have even used vinyl and want something that isn't as old hat as CDJs

2) Want to have a play about at home without the expense/time/hassle of buying the records and having the space for decks

3) Have previously DJed for years but have/have sold their vinyl/decks and fancy a dabble again when space/money/kids growing up allows

I find all this anti digital stuff offensive to be honest. If they don't like it then fuck them. They are the dinosaurs.

I see the author of the article "DJ Rev" plays shitty rock/hip hop anyway and fancies himself as a turntablist. Well DJ Rev, wake the fuck up, because you're never going to win the DMC without a DVS system from now on you fucking cock.

And yes, I am pissed off with a cold and lack of sleep.

 

[Shooms]

Vinyl & turntables are the heart & soul of DJ'ing & music appreciation in my opinion. That's not to say you can't mix on CDs or MP3, CDJ or midi controller... but frankly... we all know that it's like shagging your sister... the end result may be the same but it just feels wrong.

 

[Benny-Digital]

1) Too young to have even used vinyl

The age thing never crossed my mind Brock, and its a good point. As a lot of new wax isn't available what choices do you have but to go digital? I feel comfortable embracing new technology because i went through the dj mill from the age of about 13. Belt driven all in 1 decks with no speed control and the likes...

 

[U31]

. Belt driven all in 1 decks with no speed control and the likes...

Lol, Gerards here, weighed a fookin ton too!

 

[Benny-Digital]

Lol, Gerards here, weighed a fookin ton too!

Hahahahahaaa..

We wired an old wooden mixer up to ours man. The electric shocks i had ooooh!

 

[Shooms]

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1) Too young to have even used vinyl and want something that isn't as old hat as CDJs

The age thing never crossed my mind Brock, and its a good point. As a lot of new wax isn't available what choices do you have but to go digital? I feel comfortable embracing new technology because i went through the dj mill from the age of about 13. Belt driven all in 1 decks with no speed control and the likes...

That to me isn't a valid argument at all.. I wasn't even born when some of the great Northern Soul / R&B / Jazz / Blues tunes I own were released or danced to first time round...

That hasn't stopped me seeking them out & getting on the original format.

For new tunes I agree - with most new releases being digital only (unfortunately) then Serato / Traktor etc is a neccesity.

 

[siman91]

This arguement would go on forever. I cant call myself a DJ but love having a mess around using various formats.

1, Vinyl IS king, there is nothing like picking records out of the racks and havng a mix with them, there is a direct connection between you and the record.....always best and most rewarding. Good quailty equipment is important as it is predictable and does what you want it to do.

2, CDJ's I have 2x CDJ800's (mkII) and there are prety cool however there is a jog wheel between me and the media, it is not quite as responsive and has alsorts of buttons which can correct things and sample etc. Nowhere as good a vinyl but better than MP3

3, VCM300, what a heap of steaming crap if im honest. I use it when I want to hear a tune and cant be bothered to go downstairs to my decks. Unresponsive, can auto cue, auto time, auto pitch in fact can do everything that I enjoy doing myself when dj'ing and therefore does remove quite alot of the skill.

Im old enough to have bought vinyl new. It does say something when a so called obsolete format keeps going with continued specialist demand (unlike tapes etc) Unfortunately alot of the new releases are not pressed to vinyl as the artists and promoters know it is not good enough to sell the numbers required to risk the investment to press to vinyl. CD's are cheap, poxy mp'3 are free!! This is why there is so much shite new music out there drowning out the good stuff which would have naturally rissen to the top and made the hard working artists good money.

My opinion only

 

[MANC]

I agree with U31. Utter, utter bollocks.

So I'm in Best buy buying a new TV and I find that they sell midi contollers and fancy one. Do you think I "Don't like music" or "Don't feel it?" Why would I spend my money on something if I didn't have "passion" for it?

Many people buy these things because they are: -

1) Too young to have even used vinyl and want something that isn't as old hat as CDJs

2) Want to have a play about at home without the expense/time/hassle of buying the records and having the space for decks

3) Have previously DJed for years but have/have sold their vinyl/decks and fancy a dabble again when space/money/kids growing up allows

I find all this anti digital stuff offensive to be honest. If they don't like it then fuck them. They are the dinosaurs.

I see the author of the article "DJ Rev" plays shitty rock/hip hop anyway and fancies himself as a turntablist. Well DJ Rev, wake the fuck up, because you're never going to win the DMC without a DVS system from now on you fucking cock.

And yes, I am pissed off with a cold and lack of sleep.

WOW

tbf I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said. I really do think things have to change and move forwards, epecially for every up and coming generation.
For some reason tho, what the DJ got dismayed about when he went shopping at BestBuy also struck a chord with me. Especially the more cheap and tacky mass produced gear being exactly that; cheap and tacky!
It does bother me, I can't deny it and some of that is down to snobbery But I do think a lot of the creativity is stifled when things are made too easy.

It shouldnt bother me tho, I do believe in the DIY Punk ethos. The same ethos that allowed kids in council estates with a cheap Atari ST, to knock out hardcore rave white labels back in the day

So to conclude: Reading back what Ive just wrote... I'm full of shit and I can't make my mind up either way

 

[djay]

Vci unresponsive ?? I don't think so at all and judging by videos on YouTube with people that can scratch etc that seems totally wrong, latency is 1ms that's hardly unresponsive and yes you can autobeat keylock etc but then you don't have to hit the button it's choice not necessity.

Personaly I love mine and for the reasons above I have no space to put all my records I own and find decks so restrictive it's not even funny, hence why most use serato sl these days.

I also agree people are way way to anal when it comes to digital it's snobbery at it's worst, as I said before anyone can learn to mix on old fashioned dex just the same way anyone can learn on digital technology as for heart and soul taken out of it.. Well to me that's personal oppionion usually by people who have spent most of there life living in the past.

It's 2011 and like it or lump it your all going to have to go the same way one day, can't wait to welcome you on board just don't forget to mp3/wav those old releases up or you'll have nowt to play

 

[Monty]

Atart ST were great computers i still have my old one hope my disks don't wear out

The day i bought Serato was the day breaks labels stop pressing there tunes on vinyl so i had no choice but to buy Serato & i am really happy with it,i still have my Hardcore vinyl i don't think i can ever sell them if i am mixing Hardcore it has to be from vinyl if anything i wish i had every Hardcore tune on vinyl.

I do like vinyl more,i use vinyl & digital!...

Most thing i do miss about vinyl end of the week getting of the bus in Mancester i could not wait i wish the bloody bus would hurry up,i would get of the bus & feel my birth town as soon as i walked through the centre to Spin Inn,Manchester Underground & Eastern Bloc they were the days,was great going in Spin in they use to stick a tune on the Technics & we would stand there talking about the tune being played saying "ye i have a copy of that' or some did'nt like the tune being played but was nice to hear opinions!...

 

[Shooms]

It's 2011 and like it or lump it your all going to have to go the same way one day, can't wait to welcome you on board just don't forget to mp3/wav those old releases up or you'll have nowt to play

Traktor Scratch Pro or Serato can give you the best of both... playing on vinyl 100% using decks the way God created... be it timecoded / real or a mixture of both.

Decks & vinyl ARE the heart & soul of it... anything else is a shallow, hollow, poor substitute... you all know it... why not just admit it... phones:

 

[Shooms]

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Most thing i do miss about vinyl end of the week getting of the bus in Mancester i could not wait i wish the bloody bus would hurry up,then i would get of the bus & feel my birth town as soon as i walked through the centre to Spin Inn,Manchester Underground & Eastern Bloc they were the days,was great going in Spin in they use to stick a tune on the Technics & we would stand there talking about the tune being played saying "ye i have a copy of that' or some did'nt like the tune being played but was nice to hear opinions.

^^^

That to me is what it is about... living, breathing, feeling tunes... crate digging, sharing, listening, experiencing, discovering music. phones:

Drag & drop MP3 collections are soul less - & anyone who thinks otherwise is delluding themselves...

 

[Ed]

Traktor Scratch Pro or Serato can give you the best of both... playing on vinyl 100% using decks the way God created... be it timecoded / real or a mixture of both.

Decks & vinyl ARE the heart & soul of it... anything else is a shallow, hollow, poor substitute... you all know it... why not just admit it... phones:

The music is the heart and soul of it.

The rest of the argument is interesting, but geek wankery at the end of the day.

If someone want to play Orbital chime on a potters wheel with a diamond up their arse, I really couldn't give a shiny shite. They are still playing Orbital - Chime.

The anti digital snobbery is fucking nonsense and is like the finger pointing at the moon. You miss all the heavenly glory.

 

[pauly p]

The anti digital snobbery is fucking nonsense and is like the finger pointing at the moon. You miss all the heavenly glory.

Well said Brucee

 

[U31]

I grant you, vinyl is easier in a way... you see the sleeve and instantly know the choon, the picture connects the synapses in the head miles faster, where as a file sometimes yer scratch yer head and think wtf is that til you hear the opening bars.
And i agree, crate digging and the standing round the decks discussing the choons is lost with mp3.

But mp3 is affordable and i can fit my collection in in a 3 x4 inch harddrive rather then half the house

 

[Ed]

Well said Brucee

Good game! Nice to see you, to see you, NICE!

 

[U31]

I'd pay good money to see someone play out with a diamond shoved up there jacksey..
Any takers? Shooms?