Graeme Park WTF!!

[Ming The Merciless]

Check this out got this message from Mixcloud last night!

Jodie (Mixcloud Support) Feb 5, 2024, 17:39 GMT Hi Ming We're emailing to let you know we're deleting the following shows from your account because it's come to our attention that you do not have the rights to upload them: The deletion request has come from: Graeme Park Mixcloud has a Three Strike System for violating our Terms of Use. If you continue to upload shows you do not own the rights to, we will have to delete your account. If you'd like to share copyrighted content, a better practice is to repost shows from official profiles or to check with copyright owners whether you have permission to upload shows. If this is an error and you're the copyright owner of the entirety of your show, please complete and send a counter notice to [email protected] with the subject "DMCA Counter Notification". You can find more information on how to complete this in our DMCA Policy. Please reply to let us know you have read and understood this email. Thanks, Jodie Mixcloud Support Specialist I have just sifted through my Mixcloud page and removed all Graeme Park mixes, don't wanna give Park the nark any reasons to be banning me from mixcloud Graeme Park - Kool Kats - Nottingham - Nov 89

 

[brady]

yeah its because Parky has a premium account, you have to subscribe to hear some of his uploads

certain mixes do the same on hearthis & youtube, 3 strikes & you're out

 

[Ming The Merciless]

yeah its because Parky has a premium account, you have to subscribe to hear some of his uploads

certain mixes do the same on hearthis & youtube

No way, this is all news to me lol

I wouldn't mind but thats actually one i ripped myself from a tape i brought years ago.
Is OSA affected in the same way? or is it different rules apply?

 

[brady]

No way, this is all news to me lol

I wouldn't mind but thats actually one i ripped myself from a tape i brought years ago.
Is OSA affected in the same way? or is it different rules apply?

OSA dont host any content, its all external links.

was just looking at Parkys mixcloud, £2.99 a month
I wonder if hes the artist for his uploads or it goes to the bands in his mixes?

 

[Ming The Merciless]

OSA dont host any content, its all external links.

was just looking at Parkys mixcoud, £2.99 a month
I wonder if hes the artist for his uploads or it goes to the bands in his mixes?


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A good and fair question!! Call me a cynic but my bet is it goes into Parkys pocket
although i could be wrong!

 

[Ming The Merciless]

Another question is can someone actually copyright what is essentially a bootleg recording?
as i very much doubt a single artist ever got paid off the back of these old tapes

 

[brady]

Another question is can someone actually copyright what is essentially a bootleg recording?
as i very much doubt a single artist ever got paid off the back of these old tapes

yup, when you upload a mix to youtube their system identifies tracks in the mix & adds a copyright claim for them, usually the well known tracks on the mix. any revenue from the adverts goes to the copyright holders.

under the YT video is shows a list of the first 10 copyright claims ( comes in handy when looking for ID's )

copyright claims dont affect your account, but sometimes they upgrade their claim & block the track (mute it) and give you a copyright strike which lasts 90 days

if you get 3 active copyright strikes at the same time they close your account, so its better not to upload well known tunes, keep to obscure tunes

 

[Ming The Merciless]

yup, when you upload a mix to youtube their system identifies tracks in the mix & adds a copyright claim for them, usually the well known tracks on the mix. any revenue from the adverts goes to the copyright holders.

under the YT video is shows a list of the first 10 copyright claims ( comes in handy when looking for ID's )

copyright claims dont affect your account, but sometimes they upgrade their claim & block the track (mute it) and give you a copyright strike which lasts 90 days

if you get 3 active copyright strikes at the same time they close your account, so its better not to upload well known tunes, keep to obscure tunes

Shit! its a cyber minefield bring back analogue life and tape trading on the car park after a banging night out

Fuck i sound old

 

[brady]

Shit! its a cyber minefield bring back analogue life and tape trading on the car park after a banging night out

Fuck i sound old

see a lot of new accounts on YT uploading anything & everything, I just think that account isnt gonna be around for long !!

 

[Ming The Merciless]

see a lot of new accounts on YT uploading anything & everything, I just think that account isnt gonna be around for long !!

Its all well above my pay grade its taken me 3 decades to figure out how to digitize my old tapes and put them online

 

[Mac The Ripper 🍴]

Always Parky,it seems!

 

[k00lworld]

And don't use an account for youtube linked to your personal or professional google/gmail account.

 

[k00lworld]

Another question is can someone actually copyright what is essentially a bootleg recording?
as i very much doubt a single artist ever got paid off the back of these old tapes

The individual tracks would be copyrighted but I highly doubt a mix could be copyrighted especially a bootleg mix. Parky probably has no right to strike down these mixes unless some of the tunes are his productions but I'm not about to argue the toss in court

 

[k00lworld]

It's not music related but this is what can happen when Google strikes down a Youtube account - https://www.pcgamer.com/terraria-cr...ort-after-being-locked-out-of-google-account/

 

[chinatownswhite]

OSA dont host any content, its all external links.

was just looking at Parkys mixcloud, £2.99 a month
I wonder if hes the artist for his uploads or it goes to the bands in his mixes?


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I was looking at that a while back when his sets were being pulled from peoples accounts, is he pulling it because of the copy rights or is he doing it to drive people to his account, but he dont have the sets that are pulled down on his channel so probs not that.

EDIT saying that I've just had a look through his account at first I only seen his new stuff but he has quite a few of his old sets on there that you cant listen has they are Exclusive.


Also wonder if he himself is putting in the requests, (I cant imagine he has the time to keep sifting through mixcloud looking through sets) or are the sets being flagged by Audio fingerprinting by mixcloud, which they then send out the notifications just like YT on behalf of the copyright holders.

You would think they would want their tracks to be played, in the sense the more plays they get in, they gain more income from the copy rights.

 

[chinatownswhite]

I have just sifted through my Mixcloud page and removed all Graeme Park mixes, don't wanna give Park the nark any reasons to be banning me from mixcloud Graeme Park - Kool Kats - Nottingham - Nov 89

The thing his some of his remix's could be on other sets you have upped, from what Ive seen in the past it only seems to be sets by him, with his own remixes in that seems to be taken down, but I could be wrong on that.

 

[chinatownswhite]

Ive just read this below on one of his uploads of a old set.


(Here's a live recording of my DJ set from Back To Basics in Leeds from February 1993 which is full of tunes guaranteed to bring a smile to your face, bring back great memories for those of you who were there or who went clubbing in the 1990s and will hopefully introduce younger listeners to some tracks that they may not have heard before.

I'll continue to upload occasional classic DJ sets of mine here and they will be exclusively available to Mixcloud Select subscribers (for at least 8 weeks) which means that the artists, writers and producers will receive royalties for their music.)

So it seems hes trying to get artist to receive royalties for their music, which is fair enough.

 

[Ming The Merciless]

Thanks for all the info guys much appreciated

 

[Chunky]

Ive just read this below on one of his uploads of a old set.


(Here's a live recording of my DJ set from Back To Basics in Leeds from February 1993 which is full of tunes guaranteed to bring a smile to your face, bring back great memories for those of you who were there or who went clubbing in the 1990s and will hopefully introduce younger listeners to some tracks that they may not have heard before.

I'll continue to upload occasional classic DJ sets of mine here and they will be exclusively available to Mixcloud Select subscribers (for at least 8 weeks) which means that the artists, writers and producers will receive royalties for their music.)

So it seems hes trying to get artist to receive royalties for their music, which is fair enough.

To make any money for the creators of the tracks, the mix would need millions of listens. They are basically going to receive next to nothing. Parky, will make the money and Mixcloud. Here's what they would get on a show like the Essential Mix.

PRS per-play payment examples BBC Radio 1: £13.63 per minute. BBC Radio 2: £24.27 per minute. BBC 6 Music: £5.25 per minute

 

[brady]

To make any money for the creators of the tracks, the mix would need millions of listens. They are basically going to receive next to nothing.

its the same with all the digital platforms (spotify etc), the producers recieve next to nothing, likely the real streaming/download numbers are hidden