Time for a upgrade on the wheels of steel..what would you get ?

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Ruffenuff

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So after a 25 year break..I got a cheap pair of Stantons t80s which I've had about 2 years now...they did the job and I'm up to speed now...but not with the scratching as my hands ain't quick no more after years on the tools.
So upgrade time
Now here's the thing...i dont want technics ....I had a pair from 88 to 95...
So my contenders are
Pioneer plx 1000
Denon vl12
Reloop rp7000

Has anyone had a go on any of these?...how do they compare to the grand master??

I suppose next question is....do you know anyone selling a good pair at a fair price
 

Spektral

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So after a 25 year break..I got a cheap pair of Stantons t80s which I've had about 2 years now...they did the job and I'm up to speed now...but not with the scratching as my hands ain't quick no more after years on the tools.
So upgrade time
Now here's the thing...i dont want technics ....I had a pair from 88 to 95...
So my contenders are
Pioneer plx 1000
Denon vl12
Reloop rp7000

Has anyone had a go on any of these?...how do they compare to the grand master??

I suppose next question is....do you know anyone selling a good pair at a fair price

I'm a bit out of touch with turntables, but one thing I believe you need to bear in mind is that many of the new turntables and brands are pretty much the exact same thing under the hood and are even a mish-mash of the same parts (tone arm, motor, cables, pitch control) as they are made in the same Hanpin factory. I believe Reloop, Audio Technica, Pioneer, Denon and more are made by Hanpin - so, in my view there will be very little in substance between most of these and it will mostly be about the look and style.

One other thing that I learnt when buying my "refurbished" Technics, is that the digital pitch controls are generally pretty crappy for doing long mixes as they just aren't accurate enough to keep turntables in time. They're good for turntablism and shorter mixes, but if you're a budding Sasha or Digweed, you might want to look into that aspect. Its not to say you can't mix well on them, it is just that it can be more difficult and involve more faffing around and correcting.

The Youtube channel "Just Technics" goes over some of these and why he generally recommends the older pre-M5 technics - but thanks to pressure from him and from others, Technics have apparently sorted the issue out by refining the latest decks with a better digital pitch control. However, I believe they are silly amount of money compared to what they were back-in-the-day.

I got kind of stung with my "refurbished" turntables.....they were claimed to be "refurbished, nearly new" decks and I was looking for good condition ones so I was really choosy and wanted as close to mint as possible, so I paid the extra for what seemed like good looking and well cared for decks.

Now, don't get me wrong, they're fine, they're okay......but they are what are deemed "Frankendecks", which have been put together with different pieces of different technics decks and they've been-re-sprayed and had cheap printed on logos over the spray. They looked right - but as I found out, you clean it with some Mr Sheen and it starts to smudge. I thought they were originals, but they weren't. Then bit by bit, you realise more things are not quite correct.... but so far they work, they "look" okay, so hey-ho.
 
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Ruffenuff

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Wow...never thought ....people will do anything theses days:(.
From reading the OG mk2 technics and the mk7 are the ones to get...but both silly dollars.

Are all the new decks digital pitch....I thought the higher end ones went back to analog
 

Ruffenuff

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So...ive only gone and done it..I decided on the denon vl12s ..a few up for sale used...because although these were new to the market in 2016 by 2020 they discontinued them, so by that you think cheap right?...wrong ...all the people selling pretty much want what they paid for...one seller on ebay wanted even more...mug!!...so these are out
So a bit more reading, decided against pioneer plx because the pitch control is hardwired, so changing that if it needs it is going to be tricky.
Which leaves me with
Technics 1210mk2
Technics 1210mk7
Reloop 7000mk2

Now I've had the mk2 before....but these days you need the x2 on the pitch...or should I say I want it...plus at 1.5kg/cm torque is not that powerful anymore..coz my cheap stantons are 1.6
So its mk7 v reloops...turns out there ain't much difference between the 2 other than the price( both being super OEM ) , for 1 mk7 I can get 2x reloops...plus the reloops have adjustable torque and brake....so
2x Reloop 7000mk2 is the winner.....and they should be delivered today